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Paco numero 2
Lun 29 Nov 2010 - 18:37
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</embed></object></div><div class="post-footer"></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">Invité</span><span class="post-author-title">Invité<br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/gallery/flamen12.jpg" alt="Anonymous" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130005" class="post-wrap row1 post--130005"><div id="130005" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130005">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 2:52</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">oups <img src="/users/3112/75/10/01/smiles/554212.gif" alt=":oubli" longdesc="101" /> FRANKY et ALMA FLAMENCA et bien d'autres aussi . viva el arte . <img src="/users/3112/75/10/01/smiles/812293611.png" alt="µmusic" longdesc="57" /> </div><div class="post-footer"></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">Invité</span><span class="post-author-title">Invité<br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130009" class="post-wrap row2 post--130009"><div id="130009" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130009">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 7:55</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">MOI JE NET RIEN DIT SUR LE FLAMENCO ET LES GITAN --ok---<br /> <br />sinon que ay que mamaro( ca veut dire que depuis la naisence) il faut etre beigne dedans cet a dire que ci tu ne vie pas flamenco tu aura pas ce quil faut mais depuis petit --un jours e vous dire comment vie un flamenco depuis le matin au soir<br /> <br />mais cet vrais que pour moi etre gitan ca aide pas mal --</div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sanson</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/5287-10.jpg" alt="sanson" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>4191</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>gerundino</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130013" class="post-wrap row1 post--130013"><div id="130013" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130013">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 9:09</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">des paco de lucia y en n'a qu'un de mere portugues de pére espagnol/gitan sa maison au mexique il ne la plus c pas pour sa qu'il es mexicain paco n'est pas le roi des gitan (l'imite c manitas qu'il les puisqu'il le pense)<br />tous les paco sont pas des paco de lucia il y en n'a qu'un et puis paco a grandi avec des gitans faut pas oblié le meilleur amis de paco (camaron,paco cepero et d'autre) <br />mais sa sa veut rien dire<br />j'ai un amis qui est chamipion du monde de boxe thai en pro je vous le présente quand vous voulez il est allez en thaillande il a pris une rouste par un champion régionale et pour poutant mon pote fait 1.85 metre et 110 kilo et l'autre ne face de lui fesait a tous casse 70kg pour 1.65<br />sa s'explique pas <br />le flamenco et a tous le monde et a personne y en n'a qui le fond bien et d'autre qui devrai se mettre a la flute <br />moi j'ai entendu 3 album de grisha c une bombe mais dans aucun des 3 il n'accompagne le chant y a rien de mal si il préfére le soliste que l'accompagnement ou si il n'y arrive pas <br />moi se qui me desoit c que tous le monde a un pays et que si les gitans aurai le leur officiel ben beaucoup de personne fermé leur bouche et ne chercherai pas a savoir a qui c <br />ou a qui sa appartient pas plus les vieux disait que se qui est a nous et a nous celui qui veut appendre nos coutume ou comment on ai pas de soucis mais se qu'on te donne a la naissance et se que les tiens t'appréne sa il ne l'auron jamais le partage c bien mais aprés voila se qu'il se passe a force de partagé on veut te le prendre et l'imite on te dit ta rien compris c comme et pas comme se si si c écrit dans les livre ou sur internet <br />pour se qui et de la politique il fo juste étre pourri et voleur et j'en passe c sur que le flamenco c"est avec le coeur donc paco de lucia ne sera jamais président </div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sansdelucia</span><span class="post-author-title"><font color="#ACACAC">Connaisseur en Lutherie</font><br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/4832-27.jpg" alt="sansdelucia" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>1068</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>CONDE HERMANOS media luna. VALERIANO BERNAL dunee clavija palo,CONDE HERMANOS MOD PACO DE LUCIA EN RIO 1989 FAUSTINO CONDE,PACO DE LUCIA 2003 RIO (VICENTE CARRILLO) CONDE HERMANOS RIO DE 1989 FELIPV</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130016" class="post-wrap row2 post--130016"><div id="130016" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130016">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 9:23</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">pour moi c'est simplement une discussion j'espère que pour francky il en est de même et qu'il n'est pas énervé!je comprends parfaitement son raisonnement<br />mais mon avis ne change pas pour acquérir une culture il faut aller vivre dans dans les pays<br />comprendre les modes de vie car il existe les régions avec ses différences<br />je pense qu'il me faudrait plusieurs vies pour y arriver!<br />on est tous d'accord paco de lucia c'est un grand artiste mais de la gallice ou des asturies il exporte quoi comme palo?</div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">aflamenco</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/6735-76.jpg" alt="aflamenco" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>813</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>artisane aparicio AA 90F</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130025" class="post-wrap row1 post--130025"><div id="130025" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130025">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 10:11</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">tout le monde peut s 'essayer au flamenco, c pas interdit, il faut simplement faire l effort de bien le connaitre ( ce que peu de gens font, ca reste tres superficiel) pour mieux le vivre et le comprendre, ces origines , son histoire. avec des gens qui savent, on peut discuter, avec des gens qui ne savent pas, aussi,si ils sont humbles, ils peuvent apprendre!!! mais avec des gens qui croient savoir ??????? je parle bien sur du flamenco, celui que j aime et que j aimerai tellement partager avec tous ,ceux du forum essayer de faire qu ils aillent un peu plus loin que la rumba qui n' est qu une partie immergee de l 'iceberg, pour conclure, goriachev est un " robot" programme depuis longtemps, pour moi c une antinomie flamenca ( allez je vais encore me faire des amis ) un abrazo a todos</div><div class="post-footer"></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">Invité</span><span class="post-author-title">Invité<br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/gallery/flamen12.jpg" alt="Anonymous" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130033" class="post-wrap row2 post--130033"><div id="130033" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130033">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 11:33</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">a moi aussi j'éspére que personne ne prend pas mal ou encore casse son clavier ou son écran on discute entre nous maintenant si je recois un recommandé en me demandant de remboursé un clavier je c d'ou sans vient lol<br />mais c clair que si des personne le préne mal ben j'éviterai de rentré dorénavant dans des discution sur un ou autre </div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sansdelucia</span><span class="post-author-title"><font color="#ACACAC">Connaisseur en Lutherie</font><br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/4832-27.jpg" alt="sansdelucia" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>1068</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>CONDE HERMANOS media luna. VALERIANO BERNAL dunee clavija palo,CONDE HERMANOS MOD PACO DE LUCIA EN RIO 1989 FAUSTINO CONDE,PACO DE LUCIA 2003 RIO (VICENTE CARRILLO) CONDE HERMANOS RIO DE 1989 FELIPV</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130034" class="post-wrap row1 post--130034"><div id="130034" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130034">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 11:39</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">moi j'ai ma gerundino signe par paco nananere mdrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhierd soir</div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sanson</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/5287-10.jpg" alt="sanson" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>4191</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>gerundino</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130035" class="post-wrap row2 post--130035"><div id="130035" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130035">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 11:50</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content"><blockquote><cite>sansdelucia a écrit:</cite> <div class="clear"></div> <div class="quote_content">a moi aussi j'éspére que personne ne prend pas mal ou encore casse son clavier ou son écran on discute entre nous maintenant si je recois un recommandé en me demandant de remboursé un clavier je c d'ou sans vient lol<br />mais c clair que si des personne le préne mal ben j'éviterai de rentré dorénavant dans des discution sur un ou autre </div></blockquote> <br /><br />Je trouve que ce débat est très intéressant et il serait dommage de ne pas s'exprimer. Si mettre des posts doit se cantonner à dire "olé" et" bueno," je ne vois pas l'intérêt.</div><div class="post-footer"></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">Invité</span><span class="post-author-title">Invité<br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/gallery/flamen12.jpg" alt="Anonymous" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130036" class="post-wrap row1 post--130036"><div id="130036" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130036">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 11:51</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content"> <img src="/users/3112/75/10/01/smiles/1160336568.png" alt="sunny" longdesc="34" /> Salut Mitch <br /><br />en bref:: tu devrais crée ton ton site </div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">titcher</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/2645-98.gif" alt="titcher" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>1804</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>guitar Maison</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130037" class="post-wrap row2 post--130037"><div id="130037" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130037">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 11:58</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">tichter tu fais comme dans la pub: tu pousses un peu trop le bouchon maurice!<br /></div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">aflamenco</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/6735-76.jpg" alt="aflamenco" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>813</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>artisane aparicio AA 90F</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130038" class="post-wrap row1 post--130038"><div id="130038" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130038">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 12:03</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">on n'est 2 sanson moi aussi ma conde et signé par paco nananananananére <br />soleo moi je trouve se debat bien mais voila alors<br />olé bueno <br />bueno olé <br /></div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sansdelucia</span><span class="post-author-title"><font color="#ACACAC">Connaisseur en Lutherie</font><br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/4832-27.jpg" alt="sansdelucia" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>1068</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>CONDE HERMANOS media luna. VALERIANO BERNAL dunee clavija palo,CONDE HERMANOS MOD PACO DE LUCIA EN RIO 1989 FAUSTINO CONDE,PACO DE LUCIA 2003 RIO (VICENTE CARRILLO) CONDE HERMANOS RIO DE 1989 FELIPV</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130040" class="post-wrap row2 post--130040"><div id="130040" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130040">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 12:11</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">moi aussi je trouve que le débat est bien! sinon je n'aurais pas surenchéri!</div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">aflamenco</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/6735-76.jpg" alt="aflamenco" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>813</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>artisane aparicio AA 90F</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130041" class="post-wrap row1 post--130041"><div id="130041" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130041">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 12:30</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">Ce débat m'intéresse aussi,<br /><br />et à vrais dire je fais partie de ceux qui crois que le Flamenco est un héritage culturel, et que seul les gitans peuvent vivre l'art traditionnel Flamenco, mais c'était surtout a une certaine époque, un peut moins aujourd'hui, et et encre moins demain...<br /><br />Ce que vous revendiquez représente une époque, mais on est en 2010 et il faut reconnaître que les temps changent, <br />et si je veux vraiment écouter du Flamenco Traditionnel je met un disque de : <strong>Sabicas, Nino ricardo, Montoya, pepe de la Matrona, etc etc...</strong> <br />là oui, sa représente vraiment une époque, un d'héritage culturel, un mode de vie vraiment a part, un art familial, une souffrance et tous ce qui va avec.<br /><br />Mais aujourd'hui les gitans évoluent dans la société, ils deviennent tous sédentaire, ils vont a l'école, certain deviennent gendarme, d'autre avocat, leurs enfants évolue dans un monde différent avec des portables, des jeux électronique, internet, l'éducation change aussi, les préoccupations de la vie de tous les jours ne sont plu les même, je suis obligé de croire que leur mode de vie Flamenco change et changera encore...<br /><br />Depuis ces dernières années il y a de plus en plus d'artistes de haut niveau qui émergent en Espagne, ils partent en grosse tournée avec des enjeux important, ça engendre forcement des soucies artistique et médiatique ainsi qu'un mode de vie complètement différent que ce des anciens qui jouaient sans micro dans les cabarets d'Espagne et des enfants gitan qui n'avaient pas d'autre jouet qu'une guitare durant leur éducation.<br /><br />Tous sa pour dire que sur plusieurs générations a venir il y aura forcement de la concurrence internationale pour le Flamenco actuel, je ne parle pas du Flamenco ancien qui date d'avant l’innovation de Paco de Lucia.<br /><br />Aujourd'hui certain gitan apprennent a jouer du flamenco de la même façon qu'un étranger, c'est a dire dans une école, et non pas en héritage de père en fils. <br /><br /><div class="post-signature" id="sig130041"><br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f49/18/59/92/59/trait-10.png"/><br /><span style="font-size: 13px; 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max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>6045</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>Esteve électro | Conde Hermanos 1998 Felipe V N°2 </dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130043" class="post-wrap row2 post--130043"><div id="130043" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130043">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 12:34</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">Extrait de l'interview de Juan Carmona :<br /><br /> C En fait, moi je revendique mon identité gitane mais parce que je suis gitan. Est-ce que c’est une revendication de dire : "je suis français" ? Oui, mais tu es français. Il y a eu beaucoup ce débat gitano / payo, est ce que c’est mieux ou pas... Moi, je ne veux pas rentrer dans cette polémique-là. Ce qui est certain c’est qu’il y a un style gitan et un style payo. C’est clair. Après, moi, je suis plus sensible au style gitan mais ça ne veut pas dire que c’est mieux. Mais c’est vrai qu’une "falseta gitana" me touche plus. Maintenant, il y a d’excellentes falsetas de guitaristes non gitans qui me plaisent aussi énormément. L’exemple le plus flagrant, c’est Paco de Lucía. Pour moi, il reste le maître incontesté du flamenco. Maintenant, si tu veux analyser son jeu, il a un jeu beaucoup plus gitan que Manolo Sanlúcar et plein d’autres guitaristes. Je pense qu’il y a deux styles ; il y a des palos qui conviennent mieux au style gitan que d’autres.<br /><br />FW Dans tes derniers disques tu as réalisé des ouvertures musicales, c’étaient des aventures artistiques magnifiques pour nous. Est-ce que c’était aussi dans ton intention de casser ce cliché classique du flamenco gitan, de montrer que la culture gitane et la tradition du flamenco n’étaient ni restrictives ni figées ?<br /><br />J C Ce que tu dis-là est très important. On a trop tendance à croire que, quand tu es gitan, tu vas forcément très bien jouer por Bulería, que tu vas jouer telle forme, la Siguiriya par exemple, à la façon de Jerez, qui est une ville portée sur le style gitan. Moi, j’ai envie de casser tout ça. Aujourd’hui, on ne vit plus comme avant. Il faut arrêter ! Avant, on chantait les Martinetes. Est-ce que tu penses que maintenant un gars peut interpréter un Martinete comme on l’interprétait avant ? Tu vois, je ne suis pas en train de dire : "il faut tout changer, il faut tout révolutionner", mais les choses ont changé et j’ai envie de dire : "arrêter de croire qu’un gitan ce n’est que ça". Aujourd’hui, un gitan peut voyager, il peut se cultiver, avoir des connaissances autres qui lui permettent de créer différemment. Et ça a été mon exemple. Mes parents sont gitans, mais depuis que je suis petit, j’ai rencontré énormément de musiciens, des musiciens très riches, et je me suis enrichi. Ce n’est pas pour autant que je renie, loin de là, le caractère gitan. Mais simplement, je fais un tableau avec des couleurs différentes.<br /><br />FW Tu ne veux pas te laisser enfermer, c’est comme si tu avais un peu dépassé tout ça ?<br /><br />J C Tu sais, j’ai fait un disque, "Entre dos barrios", avec Moraíto ; j’ai fait des tournées avec Agujetas ... Je trouve sans vouloir offenser personne que le monde flamenco est très "cateto". La signification de "cateto", c’est dur ce que je vais dire, c’est analphabète. Forcément, ça conditionne les gens à penser de manière très étroite. Quand tu pousses le bouchon un peu loin, il y a eu des analyses qui ont été faites en Espagne, et elles disent que les gens ont été influencés par le franquisme, ce qui donne cette fermeture d’esprit. Aujourd’hui, il ne s’agit pas de prostituer le flamenco mais d’écouter où se trouve l’émotion. Si l’émotion est liée à une flûte, pourquoi pas ? Je préfère écouter un bon guitariste qui va jouer por Bulería et qui n’est pas de Jerez, plutôt qu’un mauvais guitariste de Jerez qui va mal jouer la Bulería. Qu’est ce qu’on s’en fout qu’il soit de Jerez, s’il joue mal !<br /><br />Des fois, je souris parce que je vois, sans citer </div><div class="post-footer"></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">Invité</span><span class="post-author-title">Invité<br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/gallery/flamen12.jpg" alt="Anonymous" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130044" class="post-wrap row1 post--130044"><div id="130044" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130044">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 12:40</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">Voilààààà, Juan Carmona explique bien la situation actuelle !<div class="post-signature" id="sig130044"><br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f49/18/59/92/59/trait-10.png"/><br /><span style="font-size: 13px; 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max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>6045</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>Esteve électro | Conde Hermanos 1998 Felipe V N°2 </dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130051" class="post-wrap row2 post--130051"><div id="130051" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130051">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 13:49</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">on n'est parti d'un truc grisha et arrivé la ou que se soi franky qui a raison et juan carmona<br />il faut s'ouvrir et prendre et donnée , on n'en n'est arrivé la sur des discusion de grisha bon guitariste mais surtout a quand c compos son style y a beaucoup de musicien qui joue bien mais rien qui passe.<br /><br />moi je me rappel l'un des 1er album de juna carmona j'était pas fan je comprené pas son style et deja c'était un monstre respecté par des mec comme paco de lucia et si je dit pas de connerie il a gagné le concourt paco de lucia<br />derniérement j'ai écouté son dernier albume ( et l'avant deniere pas avec l'orchestre simponique) et j'ai trouvé c 2 album mais techniquement extra avec des toqué magnifique j'ai vraiment aimé mais on note beaucoup l'influence du maestro paco de lucia je c que juan carmona peut joué n'importe quelle morceau de paco mais c pas son bute il est influencé par paco mais il a sont toqué a lui et c sa que je voulai dire avec grisha moi perso je joue pratiquement que du paco (je le joue mal) le jour ou j'arriverai a jouez qu'un morceau comme le fait grisha ben je peut mourir oué je peut mourir <br />j'ai travaillé pendant 2 moi sur un morceau que grisha reprend de paco se sont des tangos ( LA CANADA) ou il se joue desacordé j'ai galéré grisha quand il le joue on ferme les yeux et on dirai paco moi si tu ferme les yeux kan je le joue ben tu te casse vite vite lol<br /></div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sansdelucia</span><span class="post-author-title"><font color="#ACACAC">Connaisseur en Lutherie</font><br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/4832-27.jpg" alt="sansdelucia" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#141414;">Je suis</span> : </span></dt><dd><ul class="profile_field_list"><li>Guitariste</li></ul></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>1068</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>CONDE HERMANOS media luna. VALERIANO BERNAL dunee clavija palo,CONDE HERMANOS MOD PACO DE LUCIA EN RIO 1989 FAUSTINO CONDE,PACO DE LUCIA 2003 RIO (VICENTE CARRILLO) CONDE HERMANOS RIO DE 1989 FELIPV</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130053" class="post-wrap row1 post--130053"><div id="130053" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130053">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 14:01</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content"><blockquote><cite>sansdelucia a écrit:</cite> <div class="clear"></div> <div class="quote_content"> j'ai galéré grisha quand il le joue on ferme les yeux et on dirai paco moi si tu ferme les yeux kan je le joue ben tu te casse vite vite lol<br /></div></blockquote> <br /><br /><br />c'est pour ca que j'ai mis "paco 2"</div><div class="post-footer"></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">Invité</span><span class="post-author-title">Invité<br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/gallery/flamen12.jpg" alt="Anonymous" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130056" class="post-wrap row2 post--130056"><div id="130056" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130056">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 14:28</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">mon avis est que depuis que franky et bouba m'ont ouvert les yeux sur la rumba et pas que le traditionnel (el puro comme dit si bien mitch) ils ont tous le droit de ce régalé avec une guitare & de la voix le melange des cultures & au 21 eme siecles alors avec tout le respect pour cette culture le bon vouloir de chacun compte aussi beaucoup vive toutes les génération confondu y el mezclar sur ce viva la musica olé bueno lol <img src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/smiles/150270.gif" alt="Paco numero 2 - Page 4 150270"/></div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">tibujon</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/2088-58.jpg" alt="tibujon" style="max-width: 150px; 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Donc sanson tout en respectant tes origines les gitans ils sont "largués" depuis longtemps. </div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">aflamenco</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/6735-76.jpg" alt="aflamenco" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>813</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>artisane aparicio AA 90F</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130070" class="post-wrap row2 post--130070"><div id="130070" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130070">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 15:52</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">VOUS VOUS REGALER LE MOINS QUI A MIS DE COMS SUR CA CET MOI ET JE SUIS CITER PARCI ET PARLA MDRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR<br />bon on reprend lol lol griska bon interprete mais pas encore compositeur de flamenco ok<br /> le flamenco cet mieux de etre gitan parceque depuis bebe on ecoute et on vie flamenco ---mais pas obligatoir--<br />je suis pas un vieux puriste ferme a tout vous me conaiser mal--ja jouer ya tres longtemp du flamenco avec guitr electric et avec son kalo jai fait des chanson qui n'ont rien avoir avec le flamenco --jai melengerle flamenco avec des rappeur- du jazz-<br />du rock -des polifonie corse -du raegue- enfin de truc inimaginable <br />cet vrais que ma passion et le flamenco puro 40ans plus 10ans je joue de la rumba<br /> <br />un autre jours je vous esplique selon mon avis pour quoid le cante gitan dechire un peutplus ca a avoir avec ses soufrance descrimination</div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name">sanson</span><span class="post-author-title"></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/5287-10.jpg" alt="sanson" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /></div></div><div class="dd_award left box-body"></div><div class="award_more box-body"></div><br><dl class="post-author-details"><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"></span></span></dt><dd><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/responsive/icons/mini/male.png" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /></dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#DB6600;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f47/11/47/41/95/39369110.gif" alt="Nombre de messages" /></span></span></dt><dd>4191</dd><dt><span class="label"><span style="color:#CF7A13;"><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f77/11/47/41/95/539a1310.png" alt="Guitares" /></span></span></dt><dd>gerundino</dd></dl><div class="post-author-rpg"></div><div class="post-author-contact dropdown"><i class="material-icons">keyboard_arrow_down</i><div class="dropdown-box"></div></div></aside></div></div><div id="post-130084" class="post-wrap row1 post--130084"><div id="130084" class="post-header"><h2><i class="material-icons">description</i><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/18/59/92/59/email110.png" alt="Ic?ne" title="Ic?ne" loading="lazy" /><span class="post-heading-wrap"><a href="/t12587p60-paco-numero-2#130084">Re: Paco numero 2</a><span class="post-date">Mer 1 Déc 2010 - 17:00</span></span></h2><div class="mobile-hide post-buttons"><ul><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div><div class="mobile-show dropdown post-buttons-mobile"><i class="material-icons">more_horiz</i><ul class="dropdown-box"><li class="btn-thank"></li><li class="btn-quote-multi"></li><li class="btn-quote"></li><li class="btn-edit"></li><li class="btn-delete"></li><li class="btn-ip"></li><li class="btn-report"></li></ul></div></div><div class="post-body"><div class="post"><div class="post-content">Et aussi, faire la différence entre le <strong>Flamenco Ancien</strong> et le <strong>Flamenco Actuel</strong> <br />une époque qui était complètement différente, les travailleur dans les mines, ce qui tapé sur les enclume en chantant, la discrimination, la foi, les cabarets, le régime Franco, et il fallait forcement être en Espagne pour en jouer, là oui il s'agissait d'un art con el duende réservait au Andalou, mais tout à changer et changera encore avec le modernisme et l'évolution de la société, les artistes gitan se modernise et certain gagne bien leur vie, aujourd'hui ils vivent forcement le Flamenco différement et certain ne l'apprennent même plu en famille mais avec des Prof ou des écoles, et grâce à Paco de Lucia il s'agit déjà d'un Flamenco mélangé d'autre culture...</div><div class="post-footer likes-active"><div class="fa_like_div"><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><span class="rep-cat"><i class="material-icons">thumb_up</i><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></span><span>J'aime</span></button><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p></div></div></div><aside class="post-aside"><div class="post-author-status"></div><div class="post-author"><span class="post-author-name"><span style="color:#F20000"><strong>Franky</strong></span></span><span class="post-author-title"><font color="#e30000">Administrateur</font><br /></span></div><div class="post-author-avatar"><div class="avatar-big"><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3112/75/10/01/avatars/1-72.jpg" alt="Franky" style="max-width: 150px; 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